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Creole Language in School

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Creole Language in School

Post by Varun on Thu 23 Jun 2011 - 18:44

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Re: Creole Language in School

Post by Varun on Mon 12 Sep 2011 - 19:39

From what I've heard from a teacher currently specializing in Creole language, 15% of primary level students (and/or their parents) have asked for the implementation of our mother tongue as a subject in school.

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Re: Creole Language in School

Post by Sneha on Mon 12 Sep 2011 - 21:36

Really? Shocked

Parents with whom I've been talking to lately were saying that they are against implementing creole language in schools and fortunately the students won't be forced to do this language. They have the choice.

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Re: Creole Language in School

Post by Varun on Mon 19 Sep 2011 - 19:20

There's one thing which is bothering me though. Will those students opting for Creole language need to attend an examination for the CPE?

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Re: Creole Language in School

Post by Naz on Tue 4 Oct 2011 - 20:51

salut a toute et a tous.
Bon c un grand debat, et c super cool..
Personellement, creol c pa un language pour met dan systeme academique.
Deja system gouvernemental p baisse nivo scolaire a une tell fasson ke zelev la zo nivo p baisser, avec sa kantiter sujet ki nou fer la comparer kan nivo ti bien haute auparavant et bokou ti p gagne bon resulta..
creol pour fer boukou dan system educatif, li pu vine plito un class bajinaz, perte de temp, et ceux ki pu trouve sa un nissa pu asizer kozer entre kamarad, pou zot li pu ress un nissa, parcontre ena ene bon parti pu pa trouv sa un nissa dutou, zot vomieu ale lesson, ale aprane, et sa c pa bien dutou, akoz zot pu penalizer zis akoz un system en kaka pareil..
de plus, creol ek francai so fasson kozer coincider, et sa cause un problem lamem pour enta zelev, ki mete zot en dessu de la moiyenne general, et ajoute creol comme sujet pour baisse sa encor plus avec enta faute gramtical..
Et kan gouvernment fer un zafer li biizn pa fer sa zis akoz mother tongue sa, nou pay comme un comentateur ine dir, sorti dan un zistoir esclavage, et c un langage ki servi zis dan maurice et zordi le monde moderniser et englais c language general et li pu ress kumsa, nou p zis diminuer nivo un zenfen, ek perdi letemp avec integrer koz creol dan lecol, parcequi apart lecol et lesson nou koz creol partou.. alor pourkoi perdi letemp fer sa vine une heure enplus ... c idiot koi..

maintenant, olieu maurice fer so dictionaire, zot bizin fer nivo scolaire monter, example: zot dir 40 point passer, eski mo sorti depi hsc ek E partou mone passeR? en ecrit oui, mai ofet mo biizn refer.. kifer zot pa plito interess zot monte passing mark ziska 70% olieu perdi letemp degrade zelev ek creol..
kumsa tou zelev pu biizn travail pu pass so minimum 70%

CREOL PU MOI C MO MOTHER TONGUE OUIII, MAI SI NOU GET EN TERM REALISTIC ET PRODUCTIF, LI PA SERVI NANIER SI KONE CREOL...
CREOL LI UN LANGUAGE VULGUAIR, bien plus ke les autre.. je veu dir englais et francai..
vomieu demain mone vine papa, mo montrer mo piti anglais francais, ke mo montrer li creol..
c mon point de vu est je trouv sa juste..

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Re: Creole Language in School

Post by Varun on Sat 15 Oct 2011 - 23:11

Naz wrote:CREOL LI UN LANGUAGE VULGUAIR, bien plus ke les autre.. je veu dir englais et francai..
vomieu demain mone vine papa, mo montrer mo piti anglais francais, ke mo montrer li creol..
c mon point de vu est je trouv sa juste..
With all due respect to you, my friend, I find this part insulting. I would appreciate it if you could have elaborated a bit on it because I really don't see my mother tongue as a vulgar language.

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Re: Creole Language in School

Post by Naz on Mon 17 Oct 2011 - 22:24

its my mother tongue too, yet i find it vulgar compared to other languages.. vulgar in many ways of expression but not in every way... and thats just my point of view, you have the right to deny what i said.. i respect that...

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Re: Creole Language in School

Post by Varun on Wed 2 Nov 2011 - 1:00

Can you state one example or two of how it is vulgar? What a Face

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Re: Creole Language in School

Post by Naz on Wed 2 Nov 2011 - 12:25

bane phrase ki mne traduir.

un garson sorpa p dir sa ek li: alo, kot to eter? kilere to p vini? moi mo biizn atan toi moi?mo torpa moi to ecout moi korek? sinon 4 5 calot to gagnier ek moi

traduction:
un pere parle a son fils: alo, t ou? kel heure tu rentre?je doi tatendre moi? chui ton pere ok? tu mecoute. sinon taura des problem avec moi, tu pige?

aster dir moi ki paret plis vulgair, et pourtant pa p zourer nanier ladan.. les mem expresion, plus civiliser en francais k'an creol.

je me fai entendre encor une foi, tou seke je di, c de mon point de vue, j'offence personne. Cool

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Re: Creole Language in School

Post by Varun on Wed 2 Nov 2011 - 13:31

I don't see your traduction as a good one. You have made it a biased one. My Creole would have been as follows:
"Alo, kot to été, garson? Ki ler to pou rantré? Pa fer mwa atann kan mem, mo to papa apré tou. Mo espéré to ékout mwa sinon mo pa pou amenn twa sinéma tanto."

Now, I would ask you whether you have found something vulgar in my Creole.

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Re: Creole Language in School

Post by Sneha on Wed 2 Nov 2011 - 16:21

Varun wrote:"Mo espéré to ékout mwa sinon mo pa pou amenn twa sinéma tanto."
Mo pa kroir li fer diferens si papa amenn zanfan sinéma ou pa aster. Zanfan la kapav dir papa la: "Okay, mo pou al avek mo copinn." lol!

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Re: Creole Language in School

Post by Naz on Wed 2 Nov 2011 - 17:27

I think i must reconsider what i said.
Mo pa pu dir li vulguair, mai li moin bon ki un englai ou un francais.
Akoz sa mo prefere montrer mo zenfen koz englai francais plutard, ki mo koz creol ek zot. Sa pou servi zot bokou plus. Ki mo montrer zot creol ou pas, zot pu aprane li en dehor par zotmem, tou depanne lor un bon fasson to grandi piti la.
I still dont agree of emphasising on creol anywhere in ecadamic system.

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Re: Creole Language in School

Post by Varun on Fri 4 Nov 2011 - 0:06

Let's ponder on what you thought before. You said Creole language is/was vulgar in your opinion. You may be right based on your very own experience. However, if it is/was really vulgar, don't you think if it is taught at school, we will be capable of bringing it to another level?

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Re: Creole Language in School

Post by Naz on Fri 4 Nov 2011 - 17:39

No, this will firstly cause a big bang in the ecademic system, other more important laguages liek french and english will suffer a lot. deja zenfen la ena enta pu koner dan englais ek francais, zot p koz met creol. c un perte de temp, fatigue zenfen la. it wont be like we imagine. in pratice its gonna be a shit class. so basically u cant introduce something like this in school nowadays, where u fail in english ur out. zot envi emphasise something, emphasise english or french, its better.

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Re: Creole Language in School

Post by Varun on Fri 4 Nov 2011 - 18:29

I am still not convinced that implementing Creole language in school will be a waste of time. My secondary school's motto was "learning is progress" and even today, I keep this in mind in whatever I do. It has proved to be fruitful.

Also, without its implementation, you can't be sure its going to be a failure. Your imagination and a temporary implementation are two different things. For sure, we are not going to use Creole language to develop computer applications, to create hardware manuals or to use it in an international court of justice but at least, our people will learn to speak our mother tongue properly.

Over time, our way of communicating in Creole has evolved and in my opinion it's going in the wrong direction. I would not appreciate my son talking to me as follows one day:
Me: "To lazourné kouma inn pasé, mo garson?"
Son: "Ayo papa, pa kozé. Fit net!"

I would prefer him to go to school and learn to talk as follows instead:
Me: "To lazourné kouma inn pasé,. mo garson?"
Son: "Mo lazourné ti aimpé dir zordi, papa!"

As I said before, 15% of primary students and/or the parents have asked for this. So, you've got to at least TRY and see what happens.

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Re: Creole Language in School

Post by Sneha on Fri 4 Nov 2011 - 21:57

Varun wrote:Let's ponder on what you thought before. You said Creole language is/was vulgar in your opinion. You may be right based on your very own experience. However, if it is/was really vulgar, don't you think if it is taught at school, we will be capable of bringing it to another level?
On that point I agree with you, Varun. In Mauritius, English and French are formal and informal languages, that is they are both spoken and written which has contributed to its refinement. The fact that Creole was never a subject meant that the mass could use the language in whatever way they wanted, decent or vulgar. Now, if Creole is taught at school, who knows Creole actually becomes a refined and cultivated language just like French and English as Varun said? Razz

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Re: Creole Language in School

Post by Pawan on Sat 5 Nov 2011 - 12:58

Hehe li ene bon lider sa introduir creol dan leckol! Get lautre Pays par zot language zot apprend ene lot language! get maurice fer koumadir p apprend englais b misier la p explic englais pou apprend englais b piti la p komprend endlais kouma li pou komprend!! b prof la par creol ki li bizin montrer englais.. dan dan kose creol ena ban ti faute nu fer tousa ki li nessaire pou englais enfin pou tou language! Wink Wink Wink Wink

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Re: Creole Language in School

Post by Naz on Sat 5 Nov 2011 - 20:10

sa fasson koz creol la, pu ress kumsamem sa, nothign wil change that.
because the one stting on hight chairs in maurtius, zot mem zot kzo kumsa, to croir zot care pu make sure to piti koz bien creol ek toi? mai non voyons, they care about other things dude. I just can timagine school with one more stupid subject. If the state does that, its the most stupid thing ever in history of the world. olieu zot perdi time ek sa, ogment passing mark, make it 60%, our futur students, even the worst ones, will get outta school with minimum 60%, they can have a life! not like today, we pass with 40% and whats its value? une boute dipain vid? oh gosh, stop doing things uselessly dear government.

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Re: Creole Language in School

Post by Varun on Sat 5 Nov 2011 - 22:47

Naz wrote:sa fasson koz creol la, pu ress kumsamem sa, nothign wil change that.
because the one stting on hight chairs in maurtius, zot mem zot kzo kumsa, to croir zot care pu make sure to piti koz bien creol ek toi? mai non voyons, they care about other things dude.
How do you sustain this argument of yours? Suspect

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Re: Creole Language in School

Post by Naz on Sun 6 Nov 2011 - 1:17

issi c maurice mon cher, it just wont work. it just wont!


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Re: Creole Language in School

Post by Pawan on Sun 6 Nov 2011 - 1:50

Naz wrote:sa fasson koz creol la, pu ress kumsamem sa, nothign wil change that.
because the one stting on hight chairs in maurtius, zot mem zot kzo kumsa, to croir zot care pu make sure to piti koz bien creol ek toi? mai non voyons, they care about other things dude. I just can timagine school with one more stupid subject. If the state does that, its the most stupid thing ever in history of the world. olieu zot perdi time ek sa, ogment passing mark, make it 60%, our futur students, even the worst ones, will get outta school with minimum 60%, they can have a life! not like today, we pass with 40% and whats its value? une boute dipain vid? oh gosh, stop doing things uselessly dear government.
to pa p komprend naz!! pou apprend englais par creol mem bizin passer pou apprend englais! ena ban tem en creol ki traduir en englais b aster si ou p fer faut dan kose creol mem lerla bezer!

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Post by Naz on Sun 6 Nov 2011 - 12:16

to pa p komprend naz!! pou apprend englais par creol mem bizin passer pou apprend englais! ena ban tem en creol ki traduir en englais b aster si ou p fer faut dan kose creol mem lerla bezer!

creol pena faute sa: e.g:
mo pe ale travay : i am going to work
mo p alle travail : i am going to work

li ress mem sinification. alor c useless.
zenfen la pa p aprane, akoz li p limit li lor passign mark, which is 45%. samme tou li pu work form english and french li. example toem, to pa touss livre la ditou, aster creol pu fer toi cmpren englais? to p vine bajiner la mo frere.
pouss passing mark 60%, to geter kuma tou seki feb, vine lor zot 60%, lerla zot nuvo faible, c 60%. zot in progresser, akoz ine force zot! c tou. et sa c un zafer ki garde nou nivo education bien haute.

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Re: Creole Language in School

Post by Varun on Sun 6 Nov 2011 - 13:07

Naz wrote:
to pa p komprend naz!! pou apprend englais par creol mem bizin passer pou apprend englais! ena ban tem en creol ki traduir en englais b aster si ou p fer faut dan kose creol mem lerla bezer!

creol pena faute sa: e.g:
mo pe ale travay : i am going to work
mo p alle travail : i am going to work

li ress mem sinification. alor c useless.
This is because you haven't learnt Creole in school, Naz. It is as simple as that! Very Happy

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Re: Creole Language in School

Post by Naz on Sun 6 Nov 2011 - 13:18

oh, and you have, to be able to confirm that it will work and wont affect anyone, and will not overdoes students with things to learn? right? Neutral

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Re: Creole Language in School

Post by Varun on Tue 8 Nov 2011 - 18:35

Right and that's why the government is implementing it on a trial basis.

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Re: Creole Language in School

Post by Naz on Tue 8 Nov 2011 - 18:39

the trial itself is a waste of time, from my point of view.

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Re: Creole Language in School

Post by Varun on Wed 9 Nov 2011 - 21:34

I think you are refusing to understand one thing. This implementation is a trial and even the subject will be optional at school. 15% of the primary students and/or their parents have asked for this and 80 educators have already been formed for the start in 2012. So, labelling it as a waste of time is a bit far-fetched in my opinion.

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