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The Showdown: Personal Computers

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The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Varun on Thu 24 Apr 2008 - 22:18

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In today's world technology is progressing very rapidly and one common example is computer technology. Being myself a computer enthusiast, I build my own PCs and I find it very interesting trying to keep pace with its evolution.

I have recently upgraded my latest computer which I initially built a year ago. The upgrade consisted mainly of replacing some buggy peripherals and improving the thermal solution so as to allow future overclocking of the system.

Initial configuration:
  • Chassis: Asus Vento TA-88
  • Power Supply Unit: Cooler Master eXtreme Power 550W
  • Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-965P-DS4 (Rev. 3.3)
  • Central Processing Unit: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600
  • Central Processing Unit Cooler: Asus P5A2
  • Memory: 2 x 1GB Kingston DDR2-667
  • Visual Graphics Accelerator: Gigabyte GV-NX88S320H-B-RH
  • Audio: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeMusic
  • Optical Drive: Asus DRW-1814BLT
  • Hard Disk Drive: Hitachi Deskstar T7K250 200GB SATA2
  • Card Reader/Writer: Generic Internal 3.5" All-In-One
  • Monitor: Asus MM17D
  • Keyboard & Mouse: Logitech Cordless Internet Pro Desktop Combo
  • Printer, Copier & Scanner: HP F380
  • Speakers: Logitech Z-5500 Digital
  • Webcam: Logitech QuickCam Fusion


Space was limited and there wasn't any other cooler mounted except for the CPU, VGA and PSU.


The HDD had to be mounted in the 5.25" bay because of the monster VGA.


The initial build.

Actual configuration:
  • Chassis: Gigabyte 3D Mars
  • Power Supply Unit: Cooler Master eXtreme Power 550W
  • Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-965P-DS4 (Rev. 3.3)
  • Central Processing Unit: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600
  • Central Processing Unit Cooler: Gigabyte 3D Rocket II
  • Memory: 2 x 1GB Kingston DDR2-667
  • Visual Graphics Accelerator: Gigabyte GV-NX88S320H-B-RH
  • Audio: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeMusic
  • Optical Drive: Sony Nec Optiarc AW-G170S
  • Hard Disk Drive: 2 x Western Digital Caviar SE 160GB SATA2
  • Card Reader/Writer: Generic Mini External All-In-One
  • Monitor: Asus MM17D
  • Keyboard & Mouse: Logitech Cordless Internet Pro Desktop Combo
  • Printer, Copier & Scanner: HP F380
  • Speakers: Logitech Z-5500 Digital
  • Webcam: Logitech QuickCam Fusion


My new set of wealth... Razz


The 3D Rocket II stands at an impressive 16 cm on the Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 and has
two fans mounted, one at the bottom to cool the area around the LGA 775 socket and
one at the top which eliminates the heat coming from the processor via the heat-pipes.


WOW... It's so spacious inside.


The DVD burner, the fan controller and the front panel connectivities.


Simple, sleek and stylish!

As already underlined, the principal idea behind the upgrade was to improve the cooling system of the computer. Before, the temperatures I used to record with the Asus P5A2 were as follows:

Idle
  • Central Processing Unit: 34 - 40 degrees Celsius
  • Chipset: 54 degrees Celsius
  • Visual Graphics Accelerator: 63 degrees Celsius
  • Hard Disk Drive: 49 degrees Celsius

Medium Load
  • Central Processing Unit: 41 - 47 degrees Celsius
  • Chipset: 57 degrees Celsius
  • Visual Graphics Accelerator: 63 degrees Celsius
  • Hard Disk Drive: 50 degrees Celsius

Gaming/Full Load
  • Central Processing Unit: 48 - 64 degrees Celsius
  • Chipset: 62 degrees Celsius
  • Visual Graphics Accelerator: 74 degrees Celsius
  • Hard Disk Drive: 50 degrees Celsius

Now, the results speak for themselves... Very Happy


Thanks to the 9 cooling fans! geek

This temperature reading was taken while writing this topic and I should admit that it was pretty shocking to see the CPU dissipating a heat of only 23 degrees Celsius with its cooler set to run at its minimum level (Silent: ~1500 RPM & 16 dB) while room temperature was 30 degrees Celsius.

I will be back with some more results soon but in the meantime I want to hear a bit about your computers and also, what you think about mine.


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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Prithvi on Sun 4 May 2008 - 20:50

Ehhh visham dir seki to lé mai pa badine avek sa logitech z-5500 la s'il te plai!! Bel bel bass ggn ar sa!! aprer ki mone fini ekut sa mo zoreil fini busser ek mo latete kumens fermale!

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by visham on Mon 5 May 2008 - 2:19

lol! mo pa p dir li pa bon, mai @ $350 - $500, li pa tro attractive Razz FFS, $500 got me around half of the components in my whole setup!

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Varun on Mon 5 May 2008 - 9:55

The normal recommended price of the Logitech Z-5500 Digital is at 400 USD and at 700 AUS.

Now, 1010W RMS of total output power, more than 115 dB of SPL, a frequency response of 33 Hz - 20 KHz, 100 dB of SNR, Cirrus Logic DACs, a class A ultra-linear high-capacity amplifier, hardware soundtrack decoders (Dolby Pro Logic II, Dolby Digital, DTS and DTS 96/24) and multi digital/analog connectivities all packed in high quality materials and sealed with a THX certification are well worth beyond 400 USD and 700 AUD as such quality and powerful audio equipments are normally priced at twice as much.

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Kavi on Mon 5 May 2008 - 12:37

lol!
He selman sa logitech z-5500 la bat tou sa. Mwa mo zoreil ti 2bouC ek sa bass ggn ladan la ek mo latet tou ti kumans fermal.

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Prithvi on Tue 6 May 2008 - 16:51

lol! Tone mal dir, zot tu seki ekut sa logitech z-5500 la zot zoreil bouC

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Kavi on Tue 6 May 2008 - 17:16

Sorry but pu mwa ti 2bouC.


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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Varun on Wed 7 May 2008 - 22:15

Well, I switched to Windows Vista (Ultimate 64-bit SP1) yesterday and got everything installed. Everything seemed okay and the visuals were so sublime that it made me forget my good old Windows XP.

Today, I tested the sound of my Logitech Z-5500 (via the Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeMusic) and I was so disappointed that all I wanted was to remove that shit (Windows Vista) right away and install Windows XP back.

The thing is that sound processing is done through software on Windows Vista and no more on hardware like the in previous versions of Windows. Hardware sound processing is still far much better than software sound processing and I think I'll get my good old Windows XP (Profesional SP3 Razz) installed tomorrow.

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Kavi on Fri 9 May 2008 - 17:32

Sa mem dir twa vista fay kaliT sa. LOlzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA


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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by visham on Fri 9 May 2008 - 21:14

Sa mem dir twa vista fay kaliT sa. LOlzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

Kavi ki to kner lor hardware ek OS infrastructure pu kav fr sa statement la?

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Kavi on Sat 10 May 2008 - 11:20

Once i also was using vista and i can say that its ARRRHHHHH!!


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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Varun on Sat 10 May 2008 - 11:54

Last night I installed Windows XP back and I am much more happy with it.


System running at 3 GHz on Windows XP Professional SP3. Smile

Now this morning, I executed GPU-Z for a routine check on my VGA and something struck my mind but first, this is what GPU-Z reported...


Stock VGA Specifications


Stock VGA Sensors

These are the results of my stock Gigabyte GV-NX88S320H-B-RH which is based on the Nvidia G80 chip. The monster dual-slot active cooling system of the VGA is designed for its high temperature operations but nevertheless, the potential of the G80 is great. What all this mean is that there is room for overclocking and without losing time, I started the delicate process.

I should admit I was a bit too hasty and stupid at first because I set the core clock at 600 MHz, the memory clock at 1000 MHz and the shader clock at 1400 MHz while pushing the blower fan at 100% right away. I then decided to do a stress test on the VGA and my heart almost stopped. My screen looked like an abstract art painting and all I could do was to push the reset button of the computer for a reboot so as to revert back to the orignal VGA clocks.

Eventually, I googled a bit and found that in most cases (9 out of 10) it's the shader which causes artifacts if clocked too high and perfomance gain is not significant at all.
www.LegionHardware.com wrote:We find that adjusting the shader clock on the GeForce 8800 GTS makes very little difference, as going from just 1242 MHz to 1566 MHz produced only a 3 FPS performance variance. For a 324 MHz difference this is really somewhat of an insignificant performance gain.
Also, if the core clock and memory clock are set higher than 618 MHz and 1000 MHz respectively with the stock voltages instability may occur.

So, I decided to remain on the safe side of things and after several trials I finally set the core clock at 600 MHz, the memory clock at 950 MHz, the Shader at 1200 MHz and the blower fan at 100%.


The overclocked VGA settings.

The results were pretty good after a VGA stress test...

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There were no artifacts found. The temperature of the VGA remained almost constant at around 80 degrees Celsius (which is very much a comfortable temperature for the 'hot' G80 as its default critical temperature set by Nvidia is 110 degrees Celsius) while the northbridge (another 'hot' chip) heated to a maximum of 60 degrees Celsius.

The overclocked settings were then saved to the VGA BIOS...


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The system remained stable and I can say I am very satisfied as the maximum memory transfer rate (bandwidth) of the VGA increased from 64 GB/s to 76 GB/s, where my previous VGA (Ati X550) used to output a maximum memory transfer rate of only 8 GB/s.

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Prithvi on Sun 11 May 2008 - 11:22

Look at my VGA specifications... Sad


By the way, it's Varun who built my computer. Mad

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Varun on Sun 11 May 2008 - 11:40

Prithvi, I built your computer in 2005 and that was a long way back if you consider the speed at which computer technology evolves at this era. However, your VGA is underclocked. You need to fix it. Its bandwidth should normally be at 3.2 GB/s instead of 2.7 GB/s.

But then, from 3.2 GB/s to 76 GB/s... WOW! lol!


My overclocked Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTS.

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Kavi on Sun 11 May 2008 - 14:32

Sad
To fer mwa zalu!!


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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Varun on Sun 11 May 2008 - 16:07

Why are you getting jealous, Kavi?

By the way, I did some extended stress tests on my VGA today and the results are the same...


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With voltages kept at normal levels, with temperatures still not reaching limits and with no effect at all on stability, so much power has been unleashed. I can't be happier and I will now stick to these settings for some time before looking forward to another level of overclocking. Smile

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Prithvi on Tue 27 May 2008 - 18:06

dire ta kavi kifer eski to zalu??

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Varun on Sun 15 Jun 2008 - 21:49

I love winter... Wink



13 degrees Celsius for an E6600?
WOW! I feel good... Very Happy



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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Shanu on Sun 15 Jun 2008 - 23:00

pa mo nivo pou compete avek zot, phewwwwwww!!

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Varun on Mon 16 Jun 2008 - 10:52

It's time to learn a bit, Shanu. I gifted you a superb Fujitsu Siemens Deskpower P321 some time back along with an Altec Lansing VS3151R and the most interesting aspect of that particular computer is that it is based on a BTX design, which is very rare for common poeple to own one. Moreover, I upgraded the VGA, memory and some other parts for you. It's a shame that you are not making the most out of it.

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Shanu on Mon 16 Jun 2008 - 20:48

si mo servi Very Happy


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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Varun on Mon 16 Jun 2008 - 21:39

Using your Fujitsu Siemens Deskpower P321 for home office applications, surfing the web, downloading and listening to compressed audio, watch DVD videos and chat is not called "making the most out of it".

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by simpleguy on Tue 17 Jun 2008 - 10:17

Thank you very much for a free Windows XP serial number Varun Very Happy


Full-size Image: http://fapomatic.com/0824/dscn9258_1.jpg

So these are my boxen.
The black one is an AMD X2 4800+ with 1.5 GB RAM, Geforce FX 5600
The silver one is a Pentium 4 3 GHz with 512 MB RAM, Geforce 7600 TD (ultimate extreme something)

The monitor is a Viewsonic 22 inch. Webcam is logitech quickcam fusion, regular compaq keyboard, logitech MX500 mouse. These boxen do some code compiling, image editing, office work, general multimedia & entertainment.

I dont have the silver one anymore. I gave it to my sister in law after her computer blew up.


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Post by Varun on Tue 17 Jun 2008 - 15:21

Can we have a larger picture, please? Something like 640 x 480 pixels will be fine.

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Kavi on Tue 24 Jun 2008 - 19:36

simpleguy wrote:Full-size Image: http://fapomatic.com/0824/dscn9258_1.jpg
Your full size image is only 175 x 131 pixels, simpleguy. lol!

Here's mine, a Fujitsu Siemens Deskpower P321...




The following hardware are present in my system:

  • Fujitsu Siemens Microtower Chassis
  • Fujitsu Siemens 260W PSU
  • Fujitsu Siemens Motherboard with SiS 661FX & 964L Chipset
  • Intel Pentium 4 Processor 530 with HT Technology at 3 GHz
  • Twinmos 512 MB DDR400
  • XFX GeForce FX5200 LE 128 MB
  • Realtek ALC655 Audio
  • Sony DRU-830 DVD-RW
  • Samsung 80 GB SATA HDD
  • Sony 1.44 MB FDD
  • Fujitsu Siemens Internet Keyboard & Optical Mouse
  • 17" Fujitsu Siemens CRT
  • Lexmark X2470 All-in-One
  • Altec Lansing VS3151R 5.1 Speakers
I like to play a lot but I admit my computer needs a heavy upgrade. Sad

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Shanu on Tue 24 Jun 2008 - 20:18

It's mine too..

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Kavi on Wed 25 Jun 2008 - 19:27

We all know it frero.

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Shanu on Wed 25 Jun 2008 - 20:36

B to ti kapav dire "Shanu and mine," non? Sad

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Varun on Wed 25 Jun 2008 - 21:57

Do you both, Shanu and Kavi, use your computer as an excuse to fight against each other? Razz

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Bhavna on Thu 3 Jul 2008 - 12:20

lolz!!! fighting seems to b everywhere nwdays!! fighting for food to who is going to use the computer!!! k..mone lire tou, compren tou ,,aster mo senti moi kapab afront le monde!! laissse mo translate sa pu ban c ki pa compren anglais..mo pan compren nanier dan tou c ki zot in ecrire. i study the function n organs of living people n maybe the dead one also..ban boute plastic, metal, di fil..well sa me di pa tro rien...moi mo ena n pc ici ki date de la prehistoir!! zot kapav payer pu tir foto ek li si zot lé. $5 par foto!

varun to pc payer net, tro cool, mari seryer tou!

hey visham..if i wana buy a laptop..mo envi buy from dell..do u no any good deal ou bien tone tander si li reliable?? bekoz i was looking for smthing ente $800 - $1000!! just the basics really!

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by visham on Fri 4 Jul 2008 - 6:29

dell? customer service en ^%$#, warranty etc 1 ta tainpi zot fr. lol. umm chk so xps series, zot pa mal kan compare performance/prix. sinon ena acer ek compaq ki pa mal. personally, mo truv acer pli korek (basic lappy at around $600). ena deals kot harvey norman lorla (ena dan perth non?)

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Bhavna on Fri 4 Jul 2008 - 18:15

Go HarveY Norman Go!!! ena sale kot harvey norman la..end of financial year..mo bizin ale chek sa n cou..$600?? sa em tou..umm pretty good ein..n i can clame it back on my tax too!! hehe!!

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Varun on Fri 4 Jul 2008 - 19:19

Bhavna, the first thing you need to look at is what will you use the laptop for. Then, you should try to find one which meets your requirements and fits well into your budget at the same time.

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Post by Bhavna on Sun 6 Jul 2008 - 8:53

yea i no..well i just do things like checking mail n typing assignment..listening to music oci n chat!! bt yea i no wat u mean..pour le moment mo pc enkor p risse risser la!!!

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Varun on Sun 6 Jul 2008 - 18:16

In this case don't hesitate to buy the cheapest laptop that you can find. Wink

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Kavi on Sun 6 Jul 2008 - 22:31

lol!
To mem to pa abitier dir varun ki ban zafer ki sere C ban zafer 2 bon quality!!

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Varun on Sun 6 Jul 2008 - 23:23

Well, it depends on the usability of the computer. Bhavna will use it mainly for office works and computers which are meant for these tasks are the cheapest that you can find.

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Post by Bhavna on Mon 7 Jul 2008 - 17:04

yea true..n then i can upgrade later i supose si mo bizin smthing on it.

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Varun on Mon 7 Jul 2008 - 17:46

Upgrading is now an old practice. Computer technology is evolving at such a pace nowadays that if you buy a computer today it'll be called a prehistoric machine in two or three years' time. This is because you'll get hardware based on entirely new architectures and which will only operate optimally when coupled with hardware of the same era.

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by james bond on Fri 18 Jul 2008 - 11:40

wow varun this a very interesting debate btw u n ur fren visham.. am impress with ur PC varun.. oo yes baby thats wat i call use to say to powerfull stuff 'AMERICAN MUSCLE'.. i love cars more than pc so i wud say in terms of ur pc its a ford mustang GT with 500 horse power with intercooler n 2.0 turbo charge n also with 2 liter of NITROUS OXIDE.. Smile

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Post by Varun on Fri 18 Jul 2008 - 16:47

American Muscle Cars aren't bad at all (I love those from Germany though. Razz) but Made in Taiwan is the best when it comes to computer parts. Wink

I don't know if you still remember but it was you who made me fall in love with Gigabyte Chassis. It was during the beginning of this year and there was a Gigabyte Aurora 570 on display at your work place. I wanted to see the inside, you opened it for me and WOW! It was so spacious and had almost everything built-in to run a contemporary gaming computer cool.


Gigabyte Aurora 570
Built on the same platform, the Gigabyte Aurora 570 was esthetically mind-blowing but perfomance wise the Gigabyte 3D Mars was the better option with 2 80-mm hard disk cooling fans in addition to the three standard 120-mm led fans featuring in both models.


Gigabyte 3D Mars
I didn't lose time, placed a special order and here it is on my desk now. Very Happy

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Kavi on Fri 18 Jul 2008 - 17:21

lol!
He varun mwe mari anvi ekout sanT depi to nouvo system la.

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Prithvi on Fri 18 Jul 2008 - 17:26

kavi, to bzin vine dan Varun so l'empire dan la ville de Plaine des Roches pu resi realise to rev. Moi tu les zurs mo ggn pu ekuté selmen... Sirtou sa logitech z-5500 la so bass... Boum boum boum mo dir ou! Razz

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Varun on Fri 18 Jul 2008 - 20:01

Prithvi wrote:Sirtou sa logitech z-5500 la so bass... Boum boum boum mo dir ou! Razz
The subwoofer of the Logitech Z-5500 is one of the best in its class and you won't hear boominess with such drivers. The bass coming out of this monster sounds rather like "Hmmm Hmmm Hmmm". We are talking about real bass here, extremely low frequencies, sound below 80 Hz.

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Kavi on Fri 18 Jul 2008 - 20:04

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!
He twe fer mwa zalouuuuuuuuuuuuuuu........

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Prithvi on Sun 20 Jul 2008 - 14:42

B vini taaaa lerla to pu koné!! cheers

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Kavi on Sun 20 Jul 2008 - 18:19

Wai biento mwe border ban couzzzzzzzzzzz!!!

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Prithvi on Sun 20 Jul 2008 - 18:31

Seryer!
kan??

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Kavi on Mon 21 Jul 2008 - 18:12

Vendredi pooooooooooooooooooooo!!

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Prithvi on Wed 23 Jul 2008 - 16:22

Seryer net!

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Re: The Showdown: Personal Computers

Post by Varun on Thu 24 Jul 2008 - 0:35

Oh... You mean tomorrow, Kavi? Rolling Eyes

Little devils, wash your hands with soap before entering my room and keep at least 2 metres away from my computer system. What a Face

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